tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post111016280529927627..comments2023-12-19T06:08:36.860-05:00Comments on I Kill Spammers: Flying Croc Promotes Its Webcam Sites with Even More Lies and Messenger SpammingIKillSpammerzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10533465060035519146noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-42642330477423248412014-02-09T21:06:38.867-05:002014-02-09T21:06:38.867-05:00As a webmaster, I can say now that they just used ...As a webmaster, I can say now that they just used to "shave" (steal small amount=skim) off the links we post legally. This is not spamming. They know it is too hard to prove, which is why online embezzlement is big business. I can now tell you that they have a new team that seems to think it is okay to pick certain smaller webmasters and STEAL ALL of their hard earned money. No one seems to care either! So this means, they also are stealing lots off the bigger webmaster/referral accounts. People need to have their friends put in new signups of 10-20 bucks, then screenshot their stats, then do Class Action against these people. Whatever team they have working for them is downright thieves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-85490422458619743862013-10-31T16:02:28.387-05:002013-10-31T16:02:28.387-05:00I too was scammed by who I thought was a live camg...I too was scammed by who I thought was a live camgirl. However I don't think it was a bot due to the detailed description she gave of myself...scary. Ive been getting spam emails and phishing emails from the same girl which is somebody using recorded videos saying they are live. I do have evidence of this and the real girl they're claimibg to b is on another siteadhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-90226266627235375952013-04-03T18:38:18.336-05:002013-04-03T18:38:18.336-05:00manhunt.net is running a banner that takes you to ...manhunt.net is running a banner that takes you to gaycamsexposed.com. In side that page are instructions to sign up to watch "free" gay cams. Confirmation will come from X@livefreefun.com. Guess who livefreefun.com is registered to? Yep, FCI... Flying Croc!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-42669830564330304572012-08-30T14:42:37.636-05:002012-08-30T14:42:37.636-05:00FCI is in talks to sell to a large buyer for $300 ...FCI is in talks to sell to a large buyer for $300 million dollars, so that's the last you'll see of the owners.<br />They're starting a service on DirectTV within a few weeks, so that's where this is all headed.<br /><br />Apparently, porn ripoff artists get paid. They also like to lecture poorer people about what they are doing with their lives, like typical amoral rich scumbags.<br /><br />These people are very secretive scum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-90839559819216335962012-08-20T10:26:55.425-05:002012-08-20T10:26:55.425-05:00Anonymous: why did you post anonymously if you wan...Anonymous: why did you post anonymously if you wanted me to contact you? You didn't read the posting message I put before the posting form. Read it. Then try again.<br /><br />Read, people! :)<br /><br />SiLIKillSpammerzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10533465060035519146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-91112835028130285542012-08-19T11:01:25.588-05:002012-08-19T11:01:25.588-05:00I really need to speak to you regarding this matte...I really need to speak to you regarding this matter but i cannot find a way to contact you.. It's urgent! How can i contact you?? I will check back with your comment.. I just need your help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-3058760908885878562012-01-05T11:53:33.518-05:002012-01-05T11:53:33.518-05:00OWL: all of that is *extremely* helpful. I'll ...OWL: all of that is *extremely* helpful. I'll pass this along to several people I know to be engaged in an indepth investigation of this scummy company.<br /><br />SiLIKillSpammerzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10533465060035519146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-69257422978692140192012-01-05T06:05:23.090-05:002012-01-05T06:05:23.090-05:00A friend of mine got mixed up with one of streamat...A friend of mine got mixed up with one of streamate.com's affiliate studios and she asked me to do some research on the site. <br /><br />It seems as though between Flying Croc (registered as FCI, INC in Washington) and Accretive Technology Group they operate a large portfolio of these cam sites and claim to have as many as 500+ million visitors per month. Both companies are registered in Washington at the same address with the same contact phone number to the same two people. Ross Perkins is listed at the registered agent for FCI and Shawn Boday is the registered agent for Accretive. <br /><br />It's hard to find more info on Perkins, but googling Boday's name turns up an old article from Wired about the declining online porn industry, an article from Seattle PI about a legal battle about Avenue Media and Direct Revenue (two adware firms), and an old lawsuit between FCI and Falcon Enterprises also known as Falcon Foto, a porn studio. These guys seem to have been in the porn industry as well as the adware/spam industry for a long time. Even though the Seattle PI article reports that Boday was only a sales consultant to Avenue Media I'm willing to bet his involvement was much greater and Avenue Media is also responsible for much of that spam. Best guesses from what I've read are that Accretive and FCI employ more than 50 people directly and are making around $100 million a year.<br /><br />I'm not sure if any of that is helpful. I figured I'd share what I found out since your post was helpful to me.OWLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-49591377416004005842011-12-14T10:04:50.357-05:002011-12-14T10:04:50.357-05:00Whoever you are, I'd be interested to see some...Whoever you are, I'd be interested to see some of your evidence, as I know of several others who would probably like to sue them as well. Comment again with contact information and I won't publish the comment.<br /><br />Much appreciated, and hopefully some good news.<br /><br />SiLIKillSpammerzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10533465060035519146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-31200092236441724562011-12-14T00:15:13.014-05:002011-12-14T00:15:13.014-05:00Hey guys, Well the time is coming soon when they w...Hey guys, Well the time is coming soon when they will pay the price. I have almost 1 year of evidence collected also inside sources as well. They will be having giant lawsuits with huge companies i mean HUGE. Thing is they think because they make a mil or 2 a year they are untouchable..lol <br /><br /> Im on top of these guys you can google Y B Media LLC and Flying Croc i posted more posts on how it works, I even have possession of the bots used, With the creators name in file named and hes directly linked to both Y B Media and Flying Croc Inc. <br /><br /> Its about that time and like i said they may not think it, But they are going DOWN. i can have about one million people file complaints within 1 week that were SPAMMED, they just ignored it, But contacting them would be another good source. Any Attorneys interested respond also. But already have many working on it. HOPING THIS WILL BE THE FIRST LAWSUITS AND PROSECUTIONS FOR LARGE Underground SPAM/SPIM Instant Message SPAM RING.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-4995771077496712642011-11-16T10:48:41.616-05:002011-11-16T10:48:41.616-05:00If you check the email headers, you will likely se...If you check the email headers, you will likely see a better series of to and from headers that make it clear that - no - you are not sending via flyingcroc servers. Don't worry about it. But you might want to mention it to Gmail.<br /><br />Flagging your own messages as spam is essentially telling Gmail's servers not to trust <i>your email address</i>. That is also not recommended.<br /><br />SiLIKillSpammerzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10533465060035519146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-34832466336303728742011-11-15T20:12:22.460-05:002011-11-15T20:12:22.460-05:00I have started getting emails between "StreaM...I have started getting emails between "StreaMate Support" and someone else on my gmail. The support people email me (mark as spam), then *I* write back... This is what it looks like when I open the sent email from my account:<br /><br />MyGmailAddress via crr5.naiad.sea.flyingcroc.net to smsupport<br /><br />It appears in my sent items and everything. Have you ever seen this? I keep marking the emails (even the ones "I" send) as spam, but it is freaking me out a little bit.MJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-9621005225844790182011-08-28T10:46:02.975-05:002011-08-28T10:46:02.975-05:00This comment sounds like it came from an affiliate...This comment sounds like it came from an affiliate manager at Flying Croc, which may indicate that they don't like the popularity of this particular posting.<br /><br /><i>> I am sorry that you don't<br />> like the way you are being spammed,</i><br /><br />I don't like being spammed, period. It really doesn't matter what method is being used. But especially when the entire spam process is based on a series of lies and violates numerous laws, yes I definitely have a big problem with that. So do hundreds of my readers, all of whom have sent me similar complaints about this company going on four years and counting.<br /><br /><i>> but I HAVE to say that<br />> the site is not COMPLETELY a scam.</i><br /><br />I said that the method of promoting this site (and all other Flying Croc sites) is a scam. The entire process this company uses to get new users into the sites is a series of lies. The invitation to engage in the messenger chat is a lie. The chat itself is an automated, fake chat. The link to get you to sign up features a 100% fake chat video. Tell me what part of this you're not understanding as being a lie or a scam to get new users to subscribe.<br /><br /><i>> In fact other than<br />> spamming I don't see how it's a scam? When you actually go<br />> into the cam sites you DO talk to real girls.</i><br /><br />All well and good. And you feel good about the fact that the operators of that site engage in completely scummy practices to trick people into signing up?<br /><br /><i>> I have real<br />> conversations with guys all the time it's not automated.</i><br /><br />I don't think you read my original posting very carefully. Everything I describe is about how they entice the new subscriber. I said nothing about what happens on the other side of the scummy process.<br /><br /><i>> There is nothing illegal about it either....if you don't<br />> want to come cam then just X out of the bots and spammers.</i><br /><br />Both of those statements are absolutely not true. Because every day a person will continue to receive new "invitations" from this scumbag operation. There is no way to opt out. So "just X out" is not going to do anything.<br /><br />Then add to this: they are not targeting anybody based on their age of majority. Several accounts I monitor to track this abuse are actually expressly created to appear as underage users (13 - 17 years of age.) The one that represents a 13 year old has received dozens of these invitations, and no actual human being has interrupted the automated chat session when they've been told that the recipient is underage.<br /><br />That is a very serious crime. That's exposing minors to adult material. It violates numerous obscenity and child protection laws in various countries. And you're okay with that?<br /><br /><i>> Just throwing in my two cents as a REAL girl who cams<br />> through them. I'd rather leave myself as anonymous because I<br />> don't know if I can get in trouble for talking about the<br />> site lol.</i><br /><br />"lol" indeed. I strongly doubt that you're a real person based on that particular line, but if you are, you are working for complete scumbags. But as I said, I really doubt it.<br /><br /><i>> But seriously, for the record you are NOT being<br />> spammed by any of the actual cam models. We just sit there<br />> on cam and guys pop in and out of our chats all the time.</i><br /><br />Describe to me where I said that the models were spamming me.<br /><br /><i>> Here I will copy and paste from the actual streamate site.<br />> "How do I get customers? We provide all of the traffic,<br />> advertising and marketing for you.</i><br /><br />Well that tidbit is certainly interesting. They claim to have nothing to do with these automated messenger spam setups. So I guess I can thank you for that.<br /><br />Stay far away from any of these sites. They're run by people who have no problem promoting pornographic websites to children.<br /><br />SiLIKillSpammerzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10533465060035519146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-57602252372240259282011-08-28T08:10:58.886-05:002011-08-28T08:10:58.886-05:00Hmm. I am actually a cam girl for this company. I ...Hmm. I am actually a cam girl for this company. I had no idea about this spamming stuff you are talking about, I was just told when I signed up that they would take care of all traffic and advertising to my cam. I am sorry that you don't like the way you are being spammed, but I HAVE to say that the site is not COMPLETELY a scam. In fact other than spamming I don't see how it's a scam? When you actually go into the cam sites you DO talk to real girls. I have real conversations with guys all the time it's not automated. There is nothing illegal about it either....if you don't want to come cam then just X out of the bots and spammers. Just throwing in my two cents as a REAL girl who cams through them. I'd rather leave myself as anonymous because I don't know if I can get in trouble for talking about the site lol. But seriously, for the record you are NOT being spammed by any of the actual cam models. We just sit there on cam and guys pop in and out of our chats all the time. Here I will copy and paste from the actual streamate site. "How do I get customers? We provide all of the traffic, advertising and marketing for you. Just make sure your photo and description are set up the way you want them, and members will come to you! Remember to fill out all the details in your profile so that you will show up in searches made by our members."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-82933598252505178152011-07-17T16:13:29.682-05:002011-07-17T16:13:29.682-05:00I did a test sign up. The spammer is WNU, AKA Epoc...I did a test sign up. The spammer is WNU, AKA Epoch. <br /><br />Which, btw. might very likely be merchant for the ED Express spammer. at least I have strong evidence for that fact, but won't say in public how I got this evidence.Eighties_Seekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09681431482395584746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-4042592644018447002011-07-17T15:19:45.812-05:002011-07-17T15:19:45.812-05:00Well said!
One day -- maybe not soon, but who kno...Well said!<br /><br />One day -- maybe not soon, but who knows? -- the operators of Flying Croc will pay the price. I look forward to that day. I just wonder what it's going to take for these scumbags to finally take the fall that is most certainly going to come.<br /><br />SiLIKillSpammerzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10533465060035519146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-39633556728221422002011-07-16T18:57:58.006-05:002011-07-16T18:57:58.006-05:00SIL. I am trying to open a dialog with General Man...SIL. I am trying to open a dialog with General Manager of DBP. Here is a copy of the email I just sent them.<br />------<br />Dear D Preston,<br />In the past I have found that the Godaddy/DBP abuse depts are not very responsive to complaints regarding SPIM (SPam Instant Messenger) because there is no email header, and because your client(s) use various snowshoe tactics that allow them to use the bogus "rogue affiliate" claim. My research and that of other security people links most of this spam to one Yanniv Mindell (a career spammer), who has been a client of Godaddy and DBP for at least the last four years.<br />(see http://ikillspammers.blogspot.com/2011/02/flying-croc-promotes-its-webcam-sites.html )<br /><br />If DBP/Godaddy's abuse dept is willing to be more pro-active in regards to SPIM I will contact them. But if I get the same run around as I have in the past I will have to contact the AZ Attorney General office again. Myself and the other victims of Mr. Mindell's relentless SPIMing would prefer to work directly with Godaddy/DBP as I'm sure that Godaddy/DBP wants to be seen as a good corporate citizen and not a facilitator of organized crime.<br /><br />Would you be able to liaison with your abuse depts and legal dept to explain to us the best way to present evidence of SPIMMING in order for Godaddy/DBP to be able to act on the evidence in a timely manner?Anti Spamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10644183579306324996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-61473759655571522562011-07-06T15:15:19.617-05:002011-07-06T15:15:19.617-05:00Forget about just the spamming and fraud, how abou...Forget about just the spamming and fraud, how about all that tax money that "uncle sam" is missing out on because of these "shell companies"... potentially millions of USD$Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883933187577823652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-30684746584937633232011-05-01T08:37:31.288-05:002011-05-01T08:37:31.288-05:00Anonymous: Your comment is not clear. It *is* a la...Anonymous: Your comment is not clear. It *is* a large number of affiliates, which indicates that Flying Croc and each of their companies definitely condone this method of "promoting" their sites.<br /><br />I would not be surprised if the owner(s) of these sites also engage in this activity.<br /><br />I've been in contact with MoneyTree, the affiliate program for one of Flying Croc's sites - streamate.com - and they have been dodging my questions as to who to report these abuses to, since Money Tree is only one such program. That tells me a lot about their overall stance on this type of spamming. If they cared at all to get it shut down, they would just tell me. I'm in week #7 of asking them and they respond with utterly unhelpful answers. Says something.<br /><br />SiLIKillSpammerzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10533465060035519146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-75524847208655505242011-04-30T20:16:35.201-05:002011-04-30T20:16:35.201-05:00Hell, a lot of bullshit when it comes down it'...Hell, a lot of bullshit when it comes down it's the owner of the site and not a random affiliate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-27102995480186422952011-03-18T16:23:57.208-05:002011-03-18T16:23:57.208-05:00I have been having good luck with making complaint...I have been having good luck with making complaints to the Washington State AG, AZ AG, and Florida AG (Consumer Affairs). The key point seem to be to NOT complain about the spamming (as that is considered a federal issue) but to complain about false and deceptive advertising, endangering minors, etc. <br /><br />The BOTs claim to be young women, but they are not. That is the key point for a false advertising claim.Anti Spamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10644183579306324996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-9271514901010200172011-03-13T22:34:35.329-05:002011-03-13T22:34:35.329-05:00Those cam spammers go even further creating add-on...Those cam spammers go even further creating add-ons for Firefox or Chrome.<br /><br />While the guys from Mozilla were quick removing the add-on from the Livejasmin spammer I had a hard time to convince Google (Chrome) to remove it. But they eventually removed it.<br /><br />Reminds me to check for spam add-ons again right now.Eighties_Seekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09681431482395584746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8752534344611958195.post-34646147317107278022011-02-24T08:09:01.361-05:002011-02-24T08:09:01.361-05:00I would love to slap these bastards with a lawsuit...I would love to slap these bastards with a lawsuit. Hell they should be sued for allowing retarded people to setup severely limited bots and such obvious fake sites.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com